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| Re: Pinnacle 9 any good guys? [message #93055 is a reply to message #82488 ] |
Mon, 05 July 2004 10:18   |
 George Shouse
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 08:57:07 -0500, Jeffery S. Jones
<jeffsj@execpc.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 23:45:42 -0500, "comcast2" <elmo@comcast.net>
>wrote:
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>>This is what's curious to me--
>>
>>There are people who apparently love Pinnacle.
>>
>>There are lots of people who apparently hate Pinnacle.
>>
>>There are damn few in between.
>
> For most people the thing works out of the box, or at least, only
>needs a simple download patch to work. I'm one of those ;-) The
>thing is so easy to use, has so many good feature (the capture tool
>with its optical recognition is amazing, especially given the price
>w/rebates/upgrades/etc.)
>
> Then there are those for whom it doesn't work. Or maybe it is just
>the DVD creation, which is part of the whole reason for upgrading
>(otherwise you could still with v7, which you can probably find for
>free now).
>
> If it doesn't work, it usually isn't a matter of simply not working.
>No, it works partially, and looks so promising -- but somehow, when
>you go to actually do anything real, it doesn't make it.
>
> Probably most people aren't willing to create a user profile,
>disabling all other running software and unwanted hardware, just to
>run this program. But it *might* help if the bugs are conflicts. It
>won't if it is a matter of not working with XYZ hardware or drivers.
>Pinnacle doesn't seem to know (nor does it tech support seem to have a
>clue) why it doesn't work, what systems it works with or not, etc.
>
> So if it doesn't work, you've tended to spend a lot of time trying
>to make it go, rather than give it up.
>
> Which is why I recommend a simple trial -- even if you pay for it,
>sell it to someone else who might have better luck than you, if you
>can't get it to work.
>
> Only problem with that is that the thing is easy to like. The
>interface is so easy and sweet to use, it can make other programs seem
>clunky.
>
> Too bad it just isn't as reliable on more systems, unlike other apps
>which do seem to be far less picky. It once rated many awards, but
>running DV output only was a lot simpler than working with DVDs.
Nice summary. I would add that Pinnacle's tech support for v8
was also fairly worthless. When I was having problems with v8,
I told them that MS MovieMaker, TMPGEnc, and ULead were working
fine. So, they said, I should uninstall all of those. What? I
told you that they are all working - they are not broke - they
do not need fixing - your product needs fixing. Version 8.12
seems rock solid - for me.
George Shouse http://www.shouses.com
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| Re: Pinnacle 9 any good guys? [message #93071 is a reply to message #82569 ] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 06:28 |
Buchetamo
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Barry, I hope this will help you: originally I had Studio 8.8.17 then I
bought the upgrade to 9 but couldn't install it. Someone suggested I should
go to Pinnacle website & download a very small patch they offer which wipes
out any remnants of Studio 8. I did so, then rebooted & then proceeded to
install upgrade (Studio 9) & BINGO it worked. Then came Studio 9 first
update, I believe over 14MB, again I couldn't install it. I had to uninstall
& then tried again & managed to install update. Three weeks ago installed
second update, 9.1.2, straight trough w/o any problems. I'm very happy with
Studio 9, but must admit that Pinnacle tends to complicate things
unnecessarily!!
"Barry Guyer" <guess_who@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:9cpke09vp9tbbhc33h14oiuhuofoj04mv3@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:18:11 GMT, George Shouse <usenet@shouses.com>
> wrote:
>
> ==========snip====================================
> >Nice summary. I would add that Pinnacle's tech support for v8
> >was also fairly worthless. When I was having problems with v8,
> >I told them that MS MovieMaker, TMPGEnc, and ULead were working
> >fine. So, they said, I should uninstall all of those. What? I
> >told you that they are all working - they are not broke - they
> >do not need fixing - your product needs fixing. Version 8.12
> >seems rock solid - for me.
> >
> Yep. Agree about support. Version 8.8.17 is the latest version that
> is rock solid for me. Version 8.12 crashes from time to time - and I
> cannot even install the version 9 upgrade - installation repeatedly
> fails with error message that DIALOGS.DLL is not found (in spite of
> this file being present) even if I try to load the v 9 upgrade in safe
> mode on a stripped down system. Pinnacle have had a complete listing
> of all running processes on my machine and have no answer to this
> problem - maybe someone here has !
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| Re: Pinnacle 9 any good guys? [message #93072 is a reply to message #82570 ] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 08:00 |
Barry Guyer
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:28:49 +1000, "Buchetamo"
<buchetamo@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>Barry, I hope this will help you: originally I had Studio 8.8.17 then I
>bought the upgrade to 9 but couldn't install it. Someone suggested I should
>go to Pinnacle website & download a very small patch they offer which wipes
>out any remnants of Studio 8. I did so, then rebooted & then proceeded to
>install upgrade (Studio 9) & BINGO it worked. Then came Studio 9 first
>update, I believe over 14MB, again I couldn't install it. I had to uninstall
>& then tried again & managed to install update. Three weeks ago installed
>second update, 9.1.2, straight trough w/o any problems. I'm very happy with
>Studio 9, but must admit that Pinnacle tends to complicate things
>unnecessarily!!
>
Thanks for the information. I think I know which patch you mean -
I've tried this in the past without effect. However, as there are now
updates available to v 9, I will try again ... and will keep you
posted.
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| Re: Pinnacle 9 any good guys? [message #93076 is a reply to message #82569 ] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 11:13 |
Bill G
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:48:06 +0100, Barry Guyer
<guess_who@somewhere.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:18:11 GMT, George Shouse <usenet@shouses.com>
>wrote:
>
>==========snip====================================
>>Nice summary. I would add that Pinnacle's tech support for v8
>>was also fairly worthless. When I was having problems with v8,
>>I told them that MS MovieMaker, TMPGEnc, and ULead were working
>>fine. So, they said, I should uninstall all of those. What? I
>>told you that they are all working - they are not broke - they
>>do not need fixing - your product needs fixing. Version 8.12
>>seems rock solid - for me.
>>
>Yep. Agree about support. Version 8.8.17 is the latest version that
>is rock solid for me. Version 8.12 crashes from time to time - and I
>cannot even install the version 9 upgrade - installation repeatedly
>fails with error message that DIALOGS.DLL is not found (in spite of
>this file being present) even if I try to load the v 9 upgrade in safe
>mode on a stripped down system. Pinnacle have had a complete listing
>of all running processes on my machine and have no answer to this
>problem - maybe someone here has !
Shot in the dark, but it's usually not good enough that a certain DLL
is simply present where you expect it to be. Some DLL's need to be
'registered' with the system before they are considered present. You
might try typing "regsvr32 /?" at a command prompt to see its proper
syntax for registering a dll. Good luck.
--
Bill
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| Re: Pinnacle 9 any good guys? [message #93077 is a reply to message #82578 ] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 15:11 |
Barry Guyer
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:13:10 -0500, Bill G <niobrara969@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:48:06 +0100, Barry Guyer
><guess_who@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:18:11 GMT, George Shouse <usenet@shouses.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>==========snip====================================
>>>Nice summary. I would add that Pinnacle's tech support for v8
>>>was also fairly worthless. When I was having problems with v8,
>>>I told them that MS MovieMaker, TMPGEnc, and ULead were working
>>>fine. So, they said, I should uninstall all of those. What? I
>>>told you that they are all working - they are not broke - they
>>>do not need fixing - your product needs fixing. Version 8.12
>>>seems rock solid - for me.
>>>
>>Yep. Agree about support. Version 8.8.17 is the latest version that
>>is rock solid for me. Version 8.12 crashes from time to time - and I
>>cannot even install the version 9 upgrade - installation repeatedly
>>fails with error message that DIALOGS.DLL is not found (in spite of
>>this file being present) even if I try to load the v 9 upgrade in safe
>>mode on a stripped down system. Pinnacle have had a complete listing
>>of all running processes on my machine and have no answer to this
>>problem - maybe someone here has !
>
>Shot in the dark, but it's usually not good enough that a certain DLL
>is simply present where you expect it to be. Some DLL's need to be
>'registered' with the system before they are considered present. You
>might try typing "regsvr32 /?" at a command prompt to see its proper
>syntax for registering a dll. Good luck.
Bill,
Now that's something that I didn't think of! Give me a day or so to
Ghost my C: drive to my second hard drive, wipe out v 8.8.17, register
dialogs.dll (already present on my drive ) and run the v9 upgrade CD
purchased from Pinnacle (which they are prepared to reimburse me for
on return if I cannot find a way to install v9).
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| Re: Pinnacle 9 any good guys? [message #93079 is a reply to message #82582 ] |
Tue, 06 July 2004 16:53 |
Bill G
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:11:33 +0100, Barry Guyer
<guess_who@somewhere.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:13:10 -0500, Bill G <niobrara969@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:48:06 +0100, Barry Guyer
>><guess_who@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:18:11 GMT, George Shouse <usenet@shouses.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>==========snip====================================
>>>>Nice summary. I would add that Pinnacle's tech support for v8
>>>>was also fairly worthless. When I was having problems with v8,
>>>>I told them that MS MovieMaker, TMPGEnc, and ULead were working
>>>>fine. So, they said, I should uninstall all of those. What? I
>>>>told you that they are all working - they are not broke - they
>>>>do not need fixing - your product needs fixing. Version 8.12
>>>>seems rock solid - for me.
>>>>
>>>Yep. Agree about support. Version 8.8.17 is the latest version that
>>>is rock solid for me. Version 8.12 crashes from time to time - and I
>>>cannot even install the version 9 upgrade - installation repeatedly
>>>fails with error message that DIALOGS.DLL is not found (in spite of
>>>this file being present) even if I try to load the v 9 upgrade in safe
>>>mode on a stripped down system. Pinnacle have had a complete listing
>>>of all running processes on my machine and have no answer to this
>>>problem - maybe someone here has !
>>
>>Shot in the dark, but it's usually not good enough that a certain DLL
>>is simply present where you expect it to be. Some DLL's need to be
>>'registered' with the system before they are considered present. You
>>might try typing "regsvr32 /?" at a command prompt to see its proper
>>syntax for registering a dll. Good luck.
>
>Bill,
>Now that's something that I didn't think of! Give me a day or so to
>Ghost my C: drive to my second hard drive, wipe out v 8.8.17, register
>dialogs.dll (already present on my drive ) and run the v9 upgrade CD
>purchased from Pinnacle (which they are prepared to reimburse me for
>on return if I cannot find a way to install v9).
It's excellent to hear that you're serious enough to Ghost your drive
before making changes. On one hand, you never know what might go wrong
innocently enough, while on the other hand I can't stress enough how
dangerous it can be to type things at a command line that people
mention in a newsgroup! :-) Although in this case, if registering the
dll doesn't help you can simply use the same command (with the /u
argument this time) to un-register it again. Let us know how it goes.
--
Bill
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| Re: Pinnacle 9 any good guys? [message #93083 is a reply to message #82584 ] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 06:35 |
Barry Guyer
Messages: 8
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 18:53:50 -0500, Bill G <niobrara969@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>>Shot in the dark, but it's usually not good enough that a certain DLL
>>>is simply present where you expect it to be. Some DLL's need to be
>>>'registered' with the system before they are considered present. You
>>>might try typing "regsvr32 /?" at a command prompt to see its proper
>>>syntax for registering a dll. Good luck.
>>
>>Bill,
>>Now that's something that I didn't think of! Give me a day or so to
>>Ghost my C: drive to my second hard drive, wipe out v 8.8.17, register
>>dialogs.dll (already present on my drive ) and run the v9 upgrade CD
>>purchased from Pinnacle (which they are prepared to reimburse me for
>>on return if I cannot find a way to install v9).
>
>It's excellent to hear that you're serious enough to Ghost your drive
>before making changes. On one hand, you never know what might go wrong
>innocently enough, while on the other hand I can't stress enough how
>dangerous it can be to type things at a command line that people
>mention in a newsgroup! :-) Although in this case, if registering the
>dll doesn't help you can simply use the same command (with the /u
>argument this time) to un-register it again. Let us know how it goes.
Bill and Buchetamo,
Thanks Guys for the help and support. I am a computer veteran of many
years standing and can handle most things, but this problem with the
Studio upgrade install has had me (and Pinnacle) stumped. Anyway, I
Ghosted my hard drive (Bill - I do this once a week without fail),
then downloaded the v9.1 patch. I then tried to register dialogs.dll
(didn't work), so I downloaded a fresh copy from a website. Then I
cleaned my v9 upgrade and let it install. [The problem I've
experienced in the past happens when I try to run Studio after the
installation has apparently been successful]. I didn't take the option
to install the bonus content DVD at this point. Without trying to run
Studio yet, I then installed the v9.1 patch. Only then did I try to
run Studio 9 - and it runs just fine !!!!! I have loaded a previous
..stu file made in Studio 8 just to check, and it plays correctly. I'm
now going to Ghost the hard drive again as an insurance before
installing the bonus DVD - just in case something nasty happens.
The value of the advice one can pick up in these newsgroups has once
again been amply demonstrated.
Barry
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| Re: Pinnacle 9 any good guys? [message #93087 is a reply to message #82507 ] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 08:50 |
Jim McCullars
Messages: 2
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jimkay wrote:
> for a couple months. I haven't been able to create a good finished product
> yet. My first project looked great until I added a couple of transitions,
> about 1/2 way through, the audio lagged behind the video (about 2 seconds),
> even though it looked good on the preview window. That kind of put a damper
> on that project.
The out-of-sync problem is a known issue with Pinnacle, many people
(including myself) have reported this on the support board, and yet Pinnacle
simply will not respond.
> I went to Pinnacle's web site and downloaded the latest patch, I thought
> it might help. Instead, I wasn't able to add CD music anymore. Went back to
> the web site, downloaded another patch, didn't help. Every time I tried to
> add CD music, the program froze up. I took my brother's advice and deleted
Don't use the "add CD music" feature. Use another program to rip your CD
music to your hard drive, then add that to your project. Otherwise, you may
have to have that CD handy every time you load your project.
> so I created another project, added titles, stills, background music, etc..
> but when I tried to create a DVD, there's a new problem, the video seems to
> "freeze" every couple seconds,( not for the entire project, just parts ). I
> took that same project and output it to mini DV tape and it looks great on
> the computer and TV.
It sounds like you are suffering from the "jerky video / stuttering audio"
problem that has also been widely reported in the support boards. From what I
understand, the problem is that the MPEG-2 rendering engine in S9 is messed up.
S8 used Constant Bit Rate (CBR) and the original release of S9 (up until the
9.1.2 patch) used Variable Bit Rate (VBR). If you have a title with mostly one
color (like black), it throws the encoding out of whack and you get the
stuttering. The workaround was to introduce some sort of "video noise" into
your screen. With the 9.1.2 patch, the Make Movie has an option to use CBR, and
the stuttering goes away. But then (for me, anyway), you run a risk of running
into the out-of-sync issues that you described before. I have found that if my
project has a menu in it, I will have sync issues almost every time. Take the
menus out, and it renders fine. Go figure. And no response from Pinnacle.
> So, basically, I can't seem to rely on it for creating DVDs. It's too bad,
> because I think it does have some good features. I like the graphics and
> titles I created, I'm able to "insert" video or stills while keeping the
I absolutely love the features and the interface. But it should work as
advertised.
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| Re: Pinnacle 9 any good guys? [message #93098 is a reply to message #82589 ] |
Wed, 07 July 2004 16:42 |
Bill G
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:35:30 +0100, Barry Guyer
<guess_who@somewhere.com> wrote:
>Bill and Buchetamo,
>
>Thanks Guys for the help and support. I am a computer veteran of many
>years standing and can handle most things, but this problem with the
>Studio upgrade install has had me (and Pinnacle) stumped. Anyway, I
>Ghosted my hard drive (Bill - I do this once a week without fail),
>then downloaded the v9.1 patch. I then tried to register dialogs.dll
>(didn't work), so I downloaded a fresh copy from a website. Then I
>cleaned my v9 upgrade and let it install. [The problem I've
>experienced in the past happens when I try to run Studio after the
>installation has apparently been successful]. I didn't take the option
>to install the bonus content DVD at this point. Without trying to run
>Studio yet, I then installed the v9.1 patch. Only then did I try to
>run Studio 9 - and it runs just fine !!!!! I have loaded a previous
>.stu file made in Studio 8 just to check, and it plays correctly. I'm
>now going to Ghost the hard drive again as an insurance before
>installing the bonus DVD - just in case something nasty happens.
>
>The value of the advice one can pick up in these newsgroups has once
>again been amply demonstrated.
>
>Barry
Thanks for the update! Glad it worked out.
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Bill
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| Re: Pinnacle 9 any good guys? [message #93109 is a reply to message #82599 ] |
Thu, 08 July 2004 06:42 |
Mirror Spock
Messages: 28
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 17:49:22 GMT, "Bill in Co."
<surly7curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Mirror Spock wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:27:31 -0700, "luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Better than the crap it was. Hardly any good.
>>>
>>> "Tony" <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
>>> news:r6mFc.6502$LT3.257225@news.xtra.co.nz...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> I uninstalled Studio 8 (which worked fine with my DVC80 capture
>> device) and installed Studio 9 and found out it doesn't support my
>> DVC80 out of the box. I get the 9.1.2 patch and found that while I
>> can capture video, the audio is a garbled squirt near the beginning of
>> my captured video. Pinnacle's last response to me was to repair my
>> Windows XP install. I may have to see if I can capture audio via my
>> sound card. All-in-all, I shoulda stuck with Studio 8 or even
>> MovieStar 5.
>>
>> * Robinson
>
>You could uninstall the newer version and revert back to version 8, though,
>I would think. I've done something like this on other occasions, for
>similar reasons.
>
Probably so, but I hate to spend money on software I wind up unable to
use. Maybe Studio 9 can go to E-Bay...
* Robinson
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| Re: Pinnacle 9 any good guys? [message #93210 is a reply to message #82507 ] |
Wed, 14 July 2004 23:13 |
boerline
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I had an issue with 8.12 when I added created a slideshow, with stills
to start...for about the fist 1/4 of the video, and small video clips
inserted into the project with a cd soundtrack. When I rendered the
project, the stills were streched and distorted, but vid clips were fine.
the only way I was able to correct the stills, was to 'fool' the software by
starting the project with plain black video stock, and then fading into the
first still.
I still have mixed feelings about the software myself. I did a project
and output to dv, and had no problems whatsoever. I did a 48 min wedding
video, and was finished with all but final part of sound. I installed the
patch to 8.12 (checked for updates and found it) and was never able to open
the project again. I had to start from scratch. Rendering for 36 mins
video, with slideshow at end, and cd sound took 4.5 hours. I stopped
everything with ENDITALL before even using the software. But my finished
product was good. I agree, Pinnacle does not make the software updates
easy. I did have to uninstall, and re-install from cd at one point.
"jimkay" <jimkay@oco.net> wrote in message
news:10ef3i0dp72tibe@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Tony" <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:r6mFc.6502$LT3.257225@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
> Just my 2 cents,
> I've just started video editing with a computer about 2 mos.
ago,
> although I've been doing it professionally on video tape for over 20 yrs.
I
> had heard about Pinnacle's products at work so I decided to give their
> software a try. I went out and bought Studio 9 and have been playing with
it
> for a couple months. I haven't been able to create a good finished product
> yet. My first project looked great until I added a couple of transitions,
> about 1/2 way through, the audio lagged behind the video (about 2
seconds),
> even though it looked good on the preview window. That kind of put a
damper
> on that project.
> I went to Pinnacle's web site and downloaded the latest patch, I
thought
> it might help. Instead, I wasn't able to add CD music anymore. Went back
to
> the web site, downloaded another patch, didn't help. Every time I tried to
> add CD music, the program froze up. I took my brother's advice and deleted
> the program with the updates, then re-installed the original program again
> so now I'm back to where I started (had to create all my titles again).
I'm
> able to add CD music,
> so I created another project, added titles, stills, background music,
etc..
> but when I tried to create a DVD, there's a new problem, the video seems
to
> "freeze" every couple seconds,( not for the entire project, just parts ).
I
> took that same project and output it to mini DV tape and it looks great on
> the computer and TV.
> So, basically, I can't seem to rely on it for creating DVDs. It's too
bad,
> because I think it does have some good features. I like the graphics and
> titles I created, I'm able to "insert" video or stills while keeping the
> original audio. I realize it's only an $80 software program but what good
> are all the graphics and cool features if you can't create a good "clean"
> DVD (which is why I bought it).
> I saw someone on this newsgroup call the Pinnacle Studio 9 "crap", I
> have to agree.
> For what it's worth, my 2 cents,
> JimK
>
>
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Just days after winning $10,000 with a ticket bought at a northern Arizona cafe, my wife and I traveled to Phoenix to collect our winnings and ended up buying another ticket from the Arizona Lottery office. It just happened to be the $15 million jackpot winner.
Of course I don't believe it; I just don't believe it happened. I work in real estate investment. I crossed the Nevada-Arizona state line to purchase this $10,000 winning ticket from Rosie's Den, located on the state Highway 93. Nevada does not participate in the Powerball lottery, and I would usually purchase a Powerball ticket in Arizona whenever the jackpot amount was high, such as that weekend when the amount reached $240 million.
This money gives us tremendous security. We plan on giving our daughter her first house and helping our son get started with his computer company, and also giving money to charities and paying off our house.
The only thing I can tell you my friends YOU CAN'T WIN IF YOU DON'T PLAY.
<a href=http://lotterwiz.com/?aff=22851>Click here now to get your ticket to all the leading lotteries from around the world</a>
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